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Reservable, and full this SaturdayEvery one of the 47 sites on offer is taken this Saturday, and the record lists no site held back for a walk-up. read 15:53 UTC

We don’t think it should be. Every campground should hold some sites for whoever drives up.Tell your representative →

Right now
Taking bookingsSites offered on 2 of the next 2 nights read 15:53 UTC
A night
$34From, per site
Sites
47All of them booked ahead
26 ftLongest rig
6,960 ftElevation
1,113 ftWater · an unnamed pond
0 miSE of Big Bear Lake, CA
42%Tree cover

The place

the agency’s own description · what’s there · 7 notices

In the agency’s own words

Pineknot Campground is located in the mountains of San Bernardino at Big Bear Lake. It is a popular destination for many outdoor enthusiasts looking for respite from the busy cities nearby. While the campground can accommodate RVs, it is best situated for tent camping. It is in a prime location for mountain biking. Keep reading

Recreation

Its location at the base of a ski mountain provides visitors with unlimited access to popular lift-served mountain biking trails. Hikers also enjoy the campground's proximity to a number of trails that vary in levels of difficulty. Big Bear Lake offers a variety of water-related recreation opportunities, including boating and fishing. A marina is located about five miles from the campground. The cold waters of the lake aren't too popular for swimming, but canoeing and sailing on the lake are viable options.

Facilities

The campground offers dozens of single-family sites for tent or RV camping. Each site is equipped with a table and campfire ring with grill. Firewood is available for purchase. Flush toilets and drinking water are provided. No hookups are available. Trash collection bins are also available and a campground host is on-site. A dump station is available across the lake at Serrano Campground. Additional parking is available just outside of the campground.

Natural Features

The campground sits at the base of Snow Summit Ski Resort at an elevation of 6,900 feet. It is nestled in a dense forest of fir, pine and oak trees, which provide ample shade in the campground.

Nearby Attractions

The adjacent town of Big Bear Lake provides opportunities for shopping and dining.

Charges & Cancellations

Rules & Reservation Policies As you make travel plans that include reservations on Recreation.gov, there are standard policies that apply to most locations of which you should be aware. Do keep in mind, however, that there are many exceptions, so it is best to review reservation information listed on individual facility pages for those policies and procedures that pertain to your specific locations. Any location or activity requiring a permit or lottery will have unique requirements and policies. Please check individual facility pages for pertinent information for those sites. Booking Window For most locations, you can reserve six months in advance of your stay for individual sites and 12 months in advance for group sites. There are some exceptions, so it is best to check with each facility. Change and Cancellation Policies and Fees Overnight and Day Use Facilities: To ensure fairness, reservation arrival or departure dates may not be changed beyond the booking window until 18 days after booking the reservation. Camping / Day Use: A $10.00 service fee will apply if you change or cancel your reservation (including campsites, cabins, lookouts, group facilities, etc.). The $10.00 service fee will be deducted from the refund amount. You can cancel or change reservations through Recreation.gov or by calling 1-877-444-6777. Tours & Tickets: You may request changes to tour dates at no cost before the arrival date. If you cancel before your tour date, you may be eligible for a refund. Cancellation fees apply. Please check the tour facility description details page for cancellation policies. Permits: Varies by location. Please check the permit details for the permit location. Late Cancellations Overnight and Day Use Facilities: Late cancellations are those cancelled between 12:01 a.m. (Eastern) on the day before arrival and check out time on the day after arrival. Individual Campsites: If a customer cancels a reservation the day before or on the day of arrival they will be charged a $10.00 service fee and will also forfeit the first night's use fee (not to exceed the total paid for the original reservation). Cancellations for a single night's reservation will forfeit the entire use fee but no cancellation fee will apply. Cabins / Lookouts: Customers will be charged a $10.00 cancellation fee and forfeit the first night's use fee if a cabin or lookout reservation is cancelled within 14 days of the scheduled arrival date. Cancellations for a single night's use will not be assessed a service fee. Group Facility: If a customer cancels a group overnight facility reservation within 14 days of the scheduled arrival date they will be charged the $10.00 service fee and forfeit the first night's use fee. Cancellations for a single night's use will not be assessed a service fee. Group Day Use Area: If a customer cancels a group day use facility reservation within 14 days of the scheduled arrival date, they will forfeit the total day use fee with no service fee charge. No-Shows Camping / Day Use: A camping no-show customer is one who does not arrive at a campground and does not cancel the reservation by check-out time on the day after the scheduled arrival date. Reserved campsites and group overnight facilities will be held until check-out time on the day following your scheduled arrival. Group day-use facilities will be held until check-in time on your scheduled arrival date. If a customer does not arrive at the campground or group facility by check-out time the day after arrival or does not cancel the reservation by the times listed under "Late Cancellations" above, the customer may be assessed a $20.00 service fee and forfeit use fees. Tours: A tour or ticket no-show is one who does not cancel a ticket before arrival and does not arrive for the tour. Tour no-shows are not entitled to a refund. Refunds Customers must request refunds no later than 14 days after the scheduled departure date. Recreation.gov will not grant refund requests after 14 days of departure. Reservation Fee: For some facilities, tours or permits an additional reservation fee is charged. For some overnight and day-use facilities, an additional non-refundable reservation fee may apply. The non-refundable reservation fee for tours and tickets is $1.00. The non-refundable reservation fee for permits varies by location. Refunds for Bankcard Purchases: Refunds for bank card payments will be issued as a credit to the original bank card. Refunds for Check or Cash Purchases: Refunds for Recreation.gov payments made by check or money order, and cash payments at selected campgrounds will be issued a check refund. A refund will be processed within 30 days of receipt and approval. Please Note: Refund requests made during or after departure can only be processed when approved by the facility management staff based upon local policy. Refunds for Emergency Closures: In the event of an emergency closure, the Recreation.gov team will attempt to notify users and offer alternate dates (as appropriate). If this is not possible, reservations will be cancelled and all fees paid will be refunded. Reservation fees for free tickets are non-refundable in the event of an emergency closure. Recreation.gov Billing Information Reservation transaction will appear on customer's credit card statements as "Recreation.gov 877-444-6777." Changes to Policies and Procedures Recreation.gov reserves the right, when necessary, to modify reservation policies. These policies were last updated July

What the agency tells you

Rule

In accordance with standard industry practices, Mountain Top Recreation will be assessing a $8 additional vehicle fee per night on the second vehicle in each single family campsite, and on the third and fourth vehicles in any double family campsite, provided these vehicles are not joined to the first vehicle by a hitch and towed onto the site. In the case of motorcycles, the first two are considered to be one vehicle and the third and fourth are also considered to be one vehicle. No additional vehicle fees are collected for bicycles. The fee will be collected at the campground if you did not pay for the Extra Vehicle Add On. Extra vehicles must fit on the parking spur at your site.

Rule

RV Length: Limited turnaround space restricts RVS longer than 25 feet.

Rule

Click here for more information on the San Bernardino National Forest

Everything else this campground posts · 4
Rule

Don't Move Firewood: Protect California's forests from tree-killing pests by buying your firewood locally and burning it on-site. For more information visit firewood.ca.gov.

Rule

Fire restrictions may be imposed at any time due to hot, dry weather conditions, at which time campfires and charcoal fires may not be allowed

Rule

Recent bear activity in this campground. You are rquired to put your food in the bear box we provide. Do not leave any food in your tent.

Rule

The Code of Federal Regulations (CFR-36, 2.12) addresses audio disturbances and prohibits the following: radio, television sets, tape deck or musical instruments, in a manner that exceeds a noise level of 60 decibels measured on the A weighted scale at 50 feet. The use of amplified music or public address systems exceeding these noise levels are not allowed.

Read them on the agency’s own page →

Tents and rigs

Sites
47
Hookups
None
Longest rig
26 ft
Paved pads
All
Accessible sites
None listed
Pets
Allowed
Campfires
Allowed, barring fire bans
Shade
Every site
Source: Recreation.gov campsite records · Aug 23, 2026

Facilities

Toilets
Flush Toilets
“…Firewood is available for purchase. Flush toilets and drinking water are provided. No hookups are…”
Drinking water
Yes
“…for purchase. Flush toilets and drinking water are provided. No hookups are available. Trash…”
Dump station
Yes
Firewood
Sold here
Camp host
On site
recreation.gov lists “Host”
Stay limit
14 nights
recreation.gov facility rule maxStay
Source: Stated in the agency description · Aug 23, 2026
Water, toilets and showers: read from the agency description, shown above · Sep 12, 2026

Around the campground

On the water
Lake
Biking
Boating
Fishing
Hiking
Mountain biking
Night sky · 1123rd darkest of 1,201 in CA
Bortle 4
Source: Recreation.gov activity records · Aug 23, 2026

Full this Saturdayread 15:53 UTC

How full the weekend is nationally.

OpenBooked

Booking windowThrough October 17Bookable now through October 17, 2026, the end of this reservable season, and again for April 16, 2027. Tomorrow at 10 AM ET, availability opens through April 17, 2027.recreation.gov
Max stay14 nightsthe facility record
A night$34plus $8 to reserve, once per bookingthe agency’s rate schedule
A weekend$76DerivedFriday and Saturday, everything includedours, from the lines above
If plans change$10 to cancel$10 to change a reservation; this campground publishes its own terms toorecreation.gov’s schedule
Runs itU.S. Forest ServiceBooked through recreation.govthe agency’s record
Watch for a cancellation

Watch this campground

One email when a night opens, plus More Than Just Parks dispatches. Unsubscribe any time.

We read recreation.gov once an hour, at 40 minutes past, and write the first time a site in your window is free for the nights you asked for.

Scanners that check every few minutes exist, and most of them charge. This one is free, it reads the same calendar, and it won’t always be first.

Free forever, no booking kickbacks.
Tell me when the season opens

Watch for the season to open

One email when the season goes on sale, plus More Than Just Parks dispatches. Unsubscribe any time.

We check once an hour, at 40 minutes past, and write the first time the agency has that season on sale.

Scanners that check every few minutes exist, and most of them charge. This one is free, it reads the same calendar, and it won’t always be first.

We’ll write once, when the season that starts Fri, Apr 16 2027 is open for booking.

Free forever, no booking kickbacks.
Book on recreation.gov ↗

We make nothing when you book. The link goes straight to the government.

Every line of the receipt · 13

What you actually pay

The sign priceU.S. Forest Service
A night$34
Standard Nonelectric$34
Rates for the season the campground is in now, Apr 17, 2026 to Oct 17, 2026.
The booking feerecreation.gov
Reservation fee, booked online$8
One fee per reservation, however many nights you book, and it’s non-refundable. $9 if you book by phone, $3 in person.
Pass discounts only apply to the recreation (or use) fee for the facility. Other charges such as electricity or water hookups, reservation or other fees are not eligible for a discount.
What this campground addsits own record
Extra vehicle$8

“In accordance with standard industry practices, Mountain Top Recreation will be assessing a $8 additional vehicle fee per night on the second vehicle in each single family campsite, and on the third and fourth vehicle…” · the U.S. Forest Service’s own agency notice

What a stay costs
One nightDerived$42
A weekend, Friday and SaturdayDerived$76

Derived by CAMPANAC: the agency’s published rate for this season, $34 a night, plus one $8 recreation.gov reservation fee for the booking. A weekend here means Friday and Saturday night, booked once. Optional charges (an extra vehicle, a second tent, a dump-station fee) are listed separately and aren’t in this total.

If your plans changerecreation.gov
Change fee, moving to dates outside your booking$10
Cancellation fee$10
Cancelling the day before, or the day of$10 + your first night
No-show$20 + your first night

“Camping / Day Use: A $10.00 service fee will apply if you change or cancel your reservation (including campsites, cabins, lookouts, group facilities, etc.). The $10.00 service fee will be deducted from the refund amount.” · this campground’s own no-show terms

Who keeps the booking fee

The agency’s own policy text says the reservation fee and the cancellation processing fee are “retained by the reservation service contractor”, and that a campground concessionaire will decline to refund them because “they did not receive these fees”. Recreation.gov is run under contract by Booz Allen Hamilton. What share of your booking fee the contractor keeps isn’t published in any federal dataset we can read, so we print no number for it. Our reporting on the contract →

How we know this receipt · 7

recreation.gov availability, read 15:53 UTC · rules read Sep 9, 2026 · rates Sep 10, 2026 · How we know all this

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The sites

47 sites · which ones have room · the site map

The sites, ranked

from 47 mapped sites
52 ftbetween you and the next site, typically
Least roomLoop PINE 021 28 ftLoop PINE 022 28 ftLoop PINE 001 36 ft

All 47 sites

47 of 47 sites located
Standard47
SleepsTakes aUp to

Toilet distances are OpenStreetMap’s, measured for 47 of the 47 sites listed. A site with no reading is unknown, never far.

The price is derived by CAMPANAC, not published per site: the per-night rate this campground publishes for each site’s own site type. 47 of the 47 sites listed carry one, and a site whose type has no published rate sits out of the price rather than being called free.

Measured shade is NLCD Tree Canopy Cover 2024 (USDA Forest Service / MRLC) read at the site’s own coordinate, 27% canopy or more, and only for the sites the agency gave no Shade value. It never changes the agency’s own shaded count beside it.

PINE001standard nonelectric26 ft36 ft1,223 ft167 ft$34
PINE002standard nonelectric26 ft36 ft1,238 ft191 ft$34
PINE003standard nonelectric26 ft39 ft1,359 ft300 ft$34
PINE004standard nonelectric26 ft39 ft1,376 ft317 ft$34
PINE005standard nonelectric26 ft41 ft1,492 ft202 ft$34
PINE006standard nonelectric26 ft41 ft1,473 ft231 ft$34
PINE007standard nonelectric26 ft90 ft1,589 ft121 ft$34
PINE008standard nonelectric26 ft90 ft1,667 ft31 ft$34
PINE009standard nonelectric26 ft98 ft1,776 ft87 ft$34
PINE010standard nonelectric26 ft51 ft1,874 ft185 ft$34
PINE011standard nonelectric26 ft51 ft1,901 ft217 ft$34
PINE012standard nonelectric26 ft46 ft1,966 ft281 ft$34
PINE013standard nonelectric26 ft46 ft1,983 ft304 ft$34
PINE014standard nonelectric26 ft44 ft2,058 ft233 ft$34
PINE015standard nonelectric26 ft44 ft2,052 ft236 ft$34
PINE016standard nonelectric26 ft76 ft2,136 ft162 ft$34
PINE017standard nonelectric26 ft50 ft2,181 ft184 ft$34
PINE018standard nonelectric26 ft50 ft2,198 ft136 ft$34
PINE019standard nonelectric26 ft85 ft2,262 ft179 ft$34
PINE020standard nonelectric26 ft82 ft2,216 ft88 ft$34
PINE021standard nonelectric26 ft28 ft2,152 ft174 ft$34
PINE022standard nonelectric26 ft28 ft2,172 ft173 ft$34
PINE023standard nonelectric26 ft49 ft2,048 ft301 ft$34
PINE024standard nonelectric26 ft49 ft2,098 ft265 ft$34
PINE025standard nonelectric26 ft41 ft1,912 ft241 ft$34
PINE026standard nonelectric26 ft62 ft2,014 ft342 ft$34
PINE027standard nonelectric26 ft78 ft1,840 ft164 ft$34
PINE028standard nonelectric26 ft41 ft1,926 ft237 ft$34
PINE029standard nonelectric26 ft99 ft1,748 ft74 ft$34
PINE030standard nonelectric26 ft98 ft1,634 ft81 ft$34
PINE031standard nonelectric26 ft147 ft1,457 ft253 ft$34
PINE033standard nonelectric25 ft141 ft1,148 ft104 ft$34
PINE034standard nonelectric25 ft63 ft944 ft120 ft$34
PINE035standard nonelectric25 ft63 ft961 ft109 ft$34
PINE036standard nonelectric26 ft53 ft2,297 ft63 ft$34
PINE037standard nonelectric26 ft45 ft2,230 ft232 ft$34
PINE038standard nonelectric26 ft52 ft2,296 ft115 ft$34
PINE039standard nonelectric26 ft52 ft2,298 ft167 ft$34
PINE040standard nonelectric20 ft62 ft2,201 ft292 ft$34
PINE041standard nonelectric26 ft45 ft2,273 ft240 ft$34
PINE042standard nonelectric26 ft81 ft2,090 ft384 ft$34
PINE043standard nonelectric26 ft81 ft2,020 ft310 ft$34
PINE044standard nonelectric26 ft73 ft1,937 ft229 ft$34
PINE045standard nonelectric26 ft73 ft1,884 ft187 ft$34
PINE046standard nonelectric26 ft63 ft1,761 ft87 ft$34
PINE047standard nonelectric26 ft89 ft1,664 ft127 ft$34
PINE048standard nonelectric26 ft63 ft1,704 ft40 ft$34

25 of 47 listed

Getting there

the map and the coordinate · the agency’s directions · the phone number
Coordinate34.23588, -116.88608
The phone909-866-8550
The agency’s pageOfficial page ↗

Where it is

Getting there

From I-10 in Redlands, take Highway 330 to Highway 18 in Running Springs. Continue east on Highway 18 at Big Bear Lake Dam, go straight at the dam and follow Highway 18. Turn onto Summit Boulevard and continue to a block wall. Turn left into the campground.

The weather

the next four days · the thirty-year normal

Next four days, and the thirty-year normal

Forecast

This Afternoon60°Mostly Sunny1% rain
Tonight41°Mostly Clear2% rain
Saturday59°Partly Sunny7% rain
Saturday Night38°Mostly Cloudy7% rain

NWS forecast for Big Bear Lake, CA

Typical weather

Typical October night 35°F, day 63°F.

Coldest month of the year: typical December night 24°F, below freezing. Bring a bag rated colder than that, and expect ice in the water bottle.

90°32°10°

Daily high and lowDays with 0.10 in or more

A normal is the 1991-2020 average for the month, not a forecast: about half of all Julys are colder than the July line. The seven-day forecast above answers the other question.

Measured at: BIG BEAR LAKE, CA (USC00040741), 2 miles away and 207 ft lower

The land, and who answers for it

what threatens it · who answers for it · a letter you can send

What threatens this place

Watch
Sand to Snow National Monumentdevelopment · 22 mi
Roadless
Sugarloaf8,206 acres · 5 mi · inventoried roadless area
Roadless
Granite Peak450 acres · 9 mi · inventoried roadless area
Roadless
Crystal Creek6,783 acres · 10 mi · inventoried roadless area

You’re camping on ground somebody wants. We track the threats and the comment deadlines.

Source: MTJP Threatened Lands map · Oct 3, 2026

Who answers for this land

Jay Obernolte, official portrait

Pineknot is in California’s 23rd congressional district. Its representative, Jay Obernolte (R), votes on the laws that decide what happens to this land. Public-lands grade so far: F. See every public-lands vote →

Seen something wrong here? Tell us.

Who can change it · 3
Write to somebody who can change it

Two offices, two different asks. The draft to the agency asks it to set aside a published share of the sites here for whoever drives up. The draft to Congress asks why that share is zero and presses for a published minimum at the campgrounds it funds.

Read the draft, or change the wording

For the camper who turned up, or tried to book, and couldn’t get in. Every draft is written from this campground’s own record (its agency, its unit, its site count and its own weekend) and the buttons above copy whichever wording is selected here.

To Jay Obernolte

Asks them to put the question to the agency in writing, and to press for a published minimum share of walk-up sites across the campgrounds they fund.

Subject Walk-up camping at Pineknot, San Bernardino National Forest, California

Dear Jay Obernolte,

I’m a constituent in California’s 23rd district. I tried to camp at Pineknot, San Bernardino National Forest, California, and couldn’t.

All 47 sites at Pineknot are reservable, and the agency's own record lists none held back for somebody who drives up. On Saturday, October 17, all 47 sites recreation.gov was offering there were already booked.

1,623 of the 7,639 federal campgrounds in this country still keep at least some sites for whoever arrives first. Pineknot keeps none, and that’s a choice somebody made rather than a rule.

I’m not asking you to run Pineknot. I’m asking you to put it to the U.S. Forest Service in writing: why is the share of first-come sites there zero, and what would a published minimum share cost? Please press for that minimum at the federal campgrounds you fund.

The people who open these campgrounds, collect the fees and keep the water running are seasonal positions. At GS-5, base pay plus the government's own 36.25% benefit factor, one costs about $47,414 a year. One percent of the $13.3 billion the USS Gerald R. Ford cost to procure would pay for about 2,800 of them for a year. Both figures are the government's own (a Congressional Research Service report and an OPM pay table), and I’m glad to send them.

Sent about Pineknot (San Bernardino National Forest, California) via campanac.com
To Adam B. Schiff

Asks them to put the question to the agency in writing, and to press for a published minimum share of walk-up sites across the campgrounds they fund.

Subject Walk-up camping at Pineknot, San Bernardino National Forest, California

Dear Adam B. Schiff,

I’m a constituent in California. I tried to camp at Pineknot, San Bernardino National Forest, California, and couldn’t.

All 47 sites at Pineknot are reservable, and the agency's own record lists none held back for somebody who drives up. On Saturday, October 17, all 47 sites recreation.gov was offering there were already booked.

1,623 of the 7,639 federal campgrounds in this country still keep at least some sites for whoever arrives first. Pineknot keeps none, and that’s a choice somebody made rather than a rule.

I’m not asking you to run Pineknot. I’m asking you to put it to the U.S. Forest Service in writing: why is the share of first-come sites there zero, and what would a published minimum share cost? Please press for that minimum at the federal campgrounds you fund.

The people who open these campgrounds, collect the fees and keep the water running are seasonal positions. At GS-5, base pay plus the government's own 36.25% benefit factor, one costs about $47,414 a year. One percent of the $13.3 billion the USS Gerald R. Ford cost to procure would pay for about 2,800 of them for a year. Both figures are the government's own (a Congressional Research Service report and an OPM pay table), and I’m glad to send them.

Sent about Pineknot (San Bernardino National Forest, California) via campanac.com
To Alex Padilla

Asks them to put the question to the agency in writing, and to press for a published minimum share of walk-up sites across the campgrounds they fund.

Subject Walk-up camping at Pineknot, San Bernardino National Forest, California

Dear Alex Padilla,

I’m a constituent in California. I tried to camp at Pineknot, San Bernardino National Forest, California, and couldn’t.

All 47 sites at Pineknot are reservable, and the agency's own record lists none held back for somebody who drives up. On Saturday, October 17, all 47 sites recreation.gov was offering there were already booked.

1,623 of the 7,639 federal campgrounds in this country still keep at least some sites for whoever arrives first. Pineknot keeps none, and that’s a choice somebody made rather than a rule.

I’m not asking you to run Pineknot. I’m asking you to put it to the U.S. Forest Service in writing: why is the share of first-come sites there zero, and what would a published minimum share cost? Please press for that minimum at the federal campgrounds you fund.

The people who open these campgrounds, collect the fees and keep the water running are seasonal positions. At GS-5, base pay plus the government's own 36.25% benefit factor, one costs about $47,414 a year. One percent of the $13.3 billion the USS Gerald R. Ford cost to procure would pay for about 2,800 of them for a year. Both figures are the government's own (a Congressional Research Service report and an OPM pay table), and I’m glad to send them.

Sent about Pineknot (San Bernardino National Forest, California) via campanac.com
How we know this · 4
The figures in these drafts: Navy Ford (CVN-78) Class Aircraft Carrier Program: Background and Issues for Congress (CRS Report RS20643) · Updated December 4, 2025 · “The ship’s final procurement cost was $13,316.5 million (i.e., about $13.3 billion) in then-year dollars.”
The figures in these drafts: Salary Table 2026-GS, Incorporating the 1% General Schedule Increase, Effective January 2026 (U.S. Office of Personnel Management) · Effective January 2026 · “Grade 5, Step 1: $34,799 (annual rate, before locality pay).”
The figures in these drafts: Update to Civilian Position Full Fringe Benefit Cost Factor, Federal Pay Raise Assumptions, and Inflation Factors used in OMB Circular No. A-76 (OMB Memorandum M-08-13) · March 11, 2008 · “the civilian position full fringe benefit cost factor needs to be adjusted downward, from 36.45 percent to 36.25 percent”

How we know

every fact on this page, and where it came from
Right now: recreation.gov is offering sites on 2 of the next 2 nights, which isn’t something a closed campground does.
Cell signal: the Forest Service’s own campground description, read as text by CAMPANAC. None of this is a measurement. It’s what the land manager published about the place, and phones, carriers and weather all disagree with each other; treat it as a warning, not a promise.